D&D or Drummer?

[haya1300pr]

Which you recommended?:(

[BuellGator]

Drummer is the only way to go:D!!!

[typeone]

+1, Drummer!

[xoptimizedrsx]

+3 or for the price. or aerocross headers and pipe but its high dollar and imported.

[no_rice]

this should say it all!
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[rnm018]

Well , I guess that ansewered my next question . Thanks Guys . Rich :D

[John]

Drummer is the only way to go.


D+D is nothing but a loud mess of a sport bike muffler, that was refitted to fit under the buell.

Just my .02

[ponti1]

Is nobody an advocate of the Special OPS pipe? I seem to recall it being right in line with the dyno lines for the Drummer...

[Strmvt]

http://www.americansportbike.com/ click the exhaust shootout link has all the major aftermarket exhaust systems avail for buell dyno runs sound bytes and all

[whitey04]

Is nobody an advocate of the Special OPS pipe? I seem to recall it being right in line with the dyno lines for the Drummer...

It doesn't matter what you buy their all right about the same. I personally like the d&d because its a ground up biuld not a oem rebiuld, unless your talking about the ss pipe, then I've got nothing but even then I haven't used either one of them.

[dmhines@mac.com]

I love my D&D ... It's more like two mini-Cherry Bomb's tubular mufflers ... not sport bike mufflers at all ... It's the only muffler that makes your bike sound like a Harley if that's is what you are looking for. And with an XOPTI tune ... the bike really flies with them installed.

http://homepage.mac.com/dmhines/mav/dd1.jpg

[mrrusk]

Haya,
Call this # and ask for Kevin. Drummer is the way to go.
1-828-324-9991

[venompwr2]

I have the D&D and dont have any complaints about it. I LOVE the sound it makes, sounds very much like a Harley. Dynos show you loose some low and top end, but mid range is strong. I'm more of a beginner rider, its more than fast enough for me anyways.

[Andyman]

I like my D & D. It's a little louder than I expected but it sounds good and made a ton of mid range power which is where I spend most of my riding time anyway. On top of that it's the only muffler out there where you can jack up the bike almost anywhere on it without worring about crushing something plush you can stand the bike up straight on blocks which makes it easier to take the front tire off, change the oil, etc. I would agree the Drummer sounds slightly better IMO and it gives you just a little more HP. They both have their Pros and Cons.

If you want to hear the D & D on my bike go to www.youtube.com and search for Buell, Gruman, Exhaust. The title is "Duelling Buells" or something close to that anyway.

[sruzhyo]

just from listening to them I'd have to go with Drummer.

The real question is, do they do it for the 1125 yet??

[mrbudlightbeer]

i have a drummer, and I would go any other war, it sounds good and fits even better.

[John]

It doesn't matter what you buy their all right about the same. I personally like the d&d because its a ground up biuld not a oem rebiuld, unless your talking about the ss pipe, then I've got nothing but even then I haven't used either one of them.


Actually there not all about the same. Sport bike mufflers retro-fitted to fit a V-Twin, which most of the big name brands make, make excessive noise and decrease power. They are not designed for the large pulses and volume of air that a twin pulses out, versus an inline 4.

Drummer is more than an OEM rebuild. The oem muffler was designed specifically for this bike. Including the size and design of the can. Drummer mufflers are re worked factory pipes. The internals were re-designed specifically to create maximum flow and maxium horse power, specifically for these bikes, period.

There have been hundreds of hours on a dyno, specifically designing and retuning these mufflers, specifficaly for this one specific application.

Thats cool that you like D&D, there are others here that do as well. Please dont make negative, blanket statements about something that you are not 100% sure about. True they are re-worked stock mufflers, but they are just about the best exhaust out there. Besides most of the parts on the buell or even your car are old reworked parts or should I say made from recycled materials.

[whitey04]

Actually there not all about the same. Sport bike mufflers retro-fitted to fit a V-Twin, which most of the big name brands make, make excessive noise and decrease power. They are not designed for the large pulses and volume of air that a twin pulses out, versus an inline 4.

Drummer is more than an OEM rebuild. The oem muffler was designed specifically for this bike. Including the size and design of the can. Drummer mufflers are re worked factory pipes. The internals were re-designed specifically to create maximum flow and maxium horse power, specifically for these bikes, period.

There have been hundreds of hours on a dyno, specifically designing and retuning these mufflers, specifficaly for this one specific application.

Thats cool that you like D&D, there are others here that do as well. Please dont make negative, blanket statements about something that you are not 100% sure about. True they are re-worked stock mufflers, but they are just about the best exhaust out there. Besides most of the parts on the buell or even your car are old reworked parts or should I say made from recycled materials.

I'm not making a negative blanket statement, that would be like me saying all pipes suck and this is why. But the difference between the d&d and the drummer is 5hp. and 1ft/lbs of torque. At best. Also parts for other things like my car being made out of recycled metal is very different from a company taking a pipe off of a bike and "reworking it" and reinstalling it. So I guess in all my opinion of the situation, 5 hp at best isn't enough to sway me to that company, unless the power delivery for my needs where there, as in the d&d rolls in the torque around 4800-5200RPM where as the drummer rolls it in around 5800-6000RPM. Some people my like that lower torque band. But bottom line the micron system made the best power overall, if numbers is what your after.

One last thing I'd like to throw in, all of these above mentioned pipes are built in a simialar fashion, a straight through "like" design with packing material for sound damping. And if you'd like to get down to the basic fundementals, general rule of thumb is the more open you can get the exhaust the fast it can flow and make bigger numbers, in a WOT condition. Engine (power) characteristics can be modified by baffling the exhaust to change back pressure resulting in a more real world riding condition (not always WOT). Now if drummer has spent countless hours refining this exhaust then I'm sure they've made something that conforms best to the real world driving conditions with there straight through minimum backpressure exhaust. But who's to say that d&d's similarly designed exhaust doesn't do the same? There pipe looks nothing like a "sportbike retrofit". I'm sure the guys over a d&d didn't just weld some pipes together and sell it as a buell exhaust without testing it. But I'm willing to bet that the real problem with the exhaust isn't in the muffler but in the header where the 2 pipes meet into a rather small coupler. Probably why the micron makes more power.

So I guess what I'm saying is don't tell me to not make negitive blanket statements about something...which I didn't, and then turn around and say all big name company's use retrofitted pipes not meant for the buell. Then tell me the drummer isn't an OEM rebuild then 3 sentences later say its an OEM rework (rebuild). Look I'm not trying to be a jerk, just don't battle me on something that I do every single day, and not bring proof to back your statements. All the info I got was for the exhaust shootout available at americansportbike.com for free download. And by no means am I knocking one company, just laying out the truth.

[Strmvt]

got enough testosterone flowing here guys opinions are like sphincters everyone has one let it go =P

[John]

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l182/johndipalo/dddrummer.jpghttp://http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l182/johndipalo/dddrummer.jpg


I am not sure what you looking for as proof, but there are the dyno charts above. Im not trying to battle you over anything. Your first comment seemed like you were ripping on drummer, and kevin is a long time member on this board. I have seen his work and have ridden bikes with his exhausts on them. There is a big difference between the product that his company puts out, versus other companies. When your looking for the most power out of a bike 5 hp is a big difference and though it may not pursuade you to buy one, it does pursuade others.

[bleblanc03]

Can I throw another contender in the ring?

How does a Jardine stack up against these. I know Jardine makes exhausts for all sorts of I-4 bikes. I won't write what else I've heard or what I feel, b/c I want to hear more opinions and information.

[John]

If you were to look at the link that whitey04 mentioned, it has a leingthly description of each pipe and also how they were constructed. It was a good reference.
www.americansportbike.com

[whitey04]

If you were to look at the link that whitey04 mentioned, it has a leingthly description of each pipe and also how they were constructed. It was a good reference.
www.americansportbike.com

Absolutely.

The dyno run you showed is worse then the one that the exhaust shootout reported.

I'm not knocking drummer as a matter of fact I'm researching drummer (ss pipe) to possibly purchase any exhaust from them. I can't buy anything without researching it. The only downside to drummer that I've seen was I really like the carbon fiber drummer but they want something like 1300 dollars for it if I remember correctly. Maybe if it was made out of gold but 1300 dollars put a c/f hood and trunk on my car.

[dmhines@mac.com]

Here is my D&D Dyno run with a Crappy Tune .... I now have the XOPTI Tune and will be going on the dyno again soon ... Add about 20% to all the numbers if you want to compare these numbers to a DynoJet Dyno ...

Also ... if you read the Exhaust Shootout it states that you SHOULD NOT pay attention to the actual HP and TQ numbers since they are elevated due to the dyno setup (No way you can get numbers as high as they are showing in the shootout at the rear wheel). You should only be comparing one exhausts numbers to another that have been run on the same dyno.

http://homepage.mac.com/dmhines/mav/XB12Dyno.jpg

[BadS1]

Whitey,I've owned the race pipe,The Drummer,The D&D,and now the SS Drummer. The D&D is great mid range but thats it. I had my bike Dynoed twice withe D&D and the best it would do was 86 HP. It got **** canned after that. I now have the SS for over a year. I run a K&N open airbox,RACE ecm with it. Same dyno it now pulls just about 95 HP. If I put the direct link system on it I'd bet I'd get a 100 if not real close. The Micron also had more test time before that shoot out ever happened.

[whitey04]

Ok look I not bashing drummer. I only stated that drummer "reworks" OEM pipes, much like special ops. I never said there was anything wrong with that, I only stated that "I" don't like it.

dmhines, I did read it...exhaust shootout was ran on same dyno with same bikes with same ambient temps, etc., etc.. I don't care if it told me the bike made 1000hp the numbers are of a varing state that can show me or anyone that looks at them the differences obtained for each system. The guys who did that report did an outstanding job for the time they had.

bads1, I never doubted drummers ability to make power.

bleblanc, please throw it in there. If the guy who started this thread is going to spend his hard earned money on a pipe he should be well informed.

Also john I'd like to correct one of my previous staements about a 5hp difference, I was looking at the wrong table, theres a 10hp difference. That is very noticable.

[dmhines@mac.com]

When I look at the D&D vs. Drummer Dyno Run on the prior page .... they are just about symmetrical ... both rise and drop at the same RPM's .... so I don't see how folks are saying the D&D is only a mid-range pipe when it has the same curve as the Drummer ...

And I assume that the runs where done my merely swapping pipes .... did either one have a custom ECM map?? That also makes all the difference in the world ....

[Andyman]

When I look at the D&D vs. Drummer Dyno Run on the prior page .... they are just about symmetrical ... both rise and drop at the same RPM's .... so I don't see how folks are saying the D&D is only a mid-range pipe when it has the same curve as the Drummer ...

And I assume that the runs where done my merely swapping pipes .... did either one have a custom ECM map?? That also makes all the difference in the world ....

I agree with what dmhines@mac.com has to say about the pipes. Was there tuning done to match what pipe it had? On top of that, performance is also going to be based on who tunes it and the preferences of the owner who's getting the tuning completed. XOPTI just tuned my wifes bike a couple days ago but I told him how she rides so the extra power fit the way she rides. It wasn't to compete with other bikes.

[xoptimizedrsx]

I agree with what dmhines@mac.com has to say about the pipes. Was there tuning done to match what pipe it had? On top of that, performance is also going to be based on who tunes it and the preferences of the owner who's getting the tuning completed. XOPTI just tuned my wifes bike a couple days ago but I told him how she rides so the extra power fit the way she rides. It wasn't to compete with other bikes.

how does she like it. tweaty grew new feathers fly tweaty fly:D

she just got a basic change to pickup the acceleration and fuel time a bit with a little fuel and timing not anything fancy but it does make a good difference.

i just removed the stumble and a few bugs provided by buell to fancy the regulations required.
poof they are gone.
:)

[whitey04]

When I look at the D&D vs. Drummer Dyno Run on the prior page .... they are just about symmetrical ... both rise and drop at the same RPM's .... so I don't see how folks are saying the D&D is only a mid-range pipe when it has the same curve as the Drummer ...

And I assume that the runs where done my merely swapping pipes .... did either one have a custom ECM map?? That also makes all the difference in the world ....

exhaust shootout runs a stock ecm, buell race ecm, and a custom tune, gives a dyno printout for all.

[Andyman]

how does she like it. tweaty grew new feathers fly tweaty fly:D

she just got a basic change to pickup the acceleration and fuel time a bit with a little fuel and timing not anything fancy but it does make a good difference.

i just removed the stumble and a few bugs provided by buell to fancy the regulations required.
poof they are gone.
:)

When tweaty tat it tah a putty tat he ran like hell.... But I probably should've done the same cause she's still not happy I had this done to her bike. Then again she hasn't ridden it yet either. :D;) Thanks for smoothing it out... It's well worth it.

[MonsterBuell]

I have the d&d and wouldn't trade it for anything!! Dual outlets means I can annoy people on both sides of me. Great sound and added a ton of power.